Subject	Cliffs:
Posted by	ni[X]it on June 10, 2008 at 9:46 PM
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In Reply To	AMS vs. MSP Results posted by na300zx (OH) on June 10, 2008 at 09:07 PM
Message	152.1 average for MSP 150.8 average for AMS I fail to see the improvement. I dont think it's necessary to see the metallurgy report. Honestly, it's not relevant. Its 100% plain to see that they are completely unaltered copies of MSP manifolds. This is not an opinion. Petz #3
Follow Ups	AMS vs. MSP Results - na300zx (OH) 21:07:52 06/10/08 I'm glad I have the MSP mani's. (n/m) - jschrauwen 21:20:13 06/10/08 But I wish I had got the AMS one's. - jschrauwen 05:15:34 06/11/08 hey, I think you have something dribbling off your chin.... (n/m) - Furb (NoVa) 09:10:39 06/11/08 testing without a gasket and head does not make sense - gt300zxtt 13:47:28 06/11/08 Exactly my thoughts - na300zx (OH) 15:11:47 06/11/08 why wouldnt you? (n/m) - zyoulater 17:44:30 06/11/08 cost $$ (n/m) - jschrauwen 22:45:03 06/11/08 Thanks for making the effort. - Bezza 21:30:03 06/10/08 I only mentioned it because AMS mentioned that they didn't - na300zx (OH) 22:26:37 06/10/08 "It shouldn't amke a difference"? - Then we won't know. - jschrauwen 05:24:14 06/11/08 I am curious what you think of the AMS tests then - na300zx (OH) 14:44:00 06/11/08 A bit more believable since this one is incomplete. (n/m) - jschrauwen 22:48:12 06/11/08 Well, using your same logic that says my test is irrelevant - na300zx (OH) 04:12:22 06/12/08 Thanks for putting all of that work into a comparison! - Z_Cherub 21:37:58 06/10/08 Thanks for your time.. Ill stick with MSP :) (n/m) - fst300zx 21:42:00 06/10/08 second. - Alan(NJ/MD) 22:04:07 06/10/08 3rd. There was/is no choice other than MSP. (n/m) - Tu 22:12:25 06/10/08 Cliffs: - ni[X]it 21:46:10 06/10/08 Plot of results - Bezza 21:59:27 06/10/08 The 'made in china' casting slowed the air a bit. (n/m) - dpjax 22:07:38 06/10/08 Thanks for doing the testing:) - induetime 21:58:34 06/10/08 David did a really fine job of performing an unbiased test. - kkrofft (OH) 22:11:04 06/10/08 Thanks for coming and taking a couple pics Kory (n/m) - na300zx (OH) 22:17:37 06/10/08 so no real flow advantage...weird - aliaZ 22:12:16 06/10/08 i bet my Pittsburgh sockets from harbor freight are stronger (n/m) - Halo Z 22:32:15 06/10/08 Perhaps na300zx (OH) can answer that for you - jschrauwen 22:43:44 06/10/08 Honest question... - LJZTT 17:42:56 06/11/08 it isn't so much the style of manifold, but the materials - aliaZ 20:21:17 06/11/08 I'm glad I chose the MSP headers as well. - RICH1 22:34:10 06/10/08 You go man! Awesome...Thanks for doing these tests! (n/m) - twinturbineZ 22:36:45 06/10/08 2nd (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 03:27:24 06/11/08 Appreciate the followup (n/m) - SeedyROM 22:44:26 06/10/08 Thank you. (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 22:50:16 06/10/08 nice...thanks (n/m) - Spee 22:52:03 06/10/08 thanks for taking your time to test them.I would be - blacktwin 22:57:01 06/10/08 Am I missing something? - Waggz 23:09:57 06/10/08 I just found out on my 3zc thread that Vuk had them tested - na300zx (OH) 23:17:43 06/10/08 That's what I figured. - Waggz 23:25:42 06/10/08 Thank you (n/m) - ae300z 23:17:42 06/10/08 good thing the AMS are cheaper :/ - vorpalZ 23:47:02 06/10/08 lol, complete waste of time (n/m) - LJZTT 00:06:03 06/11/08 Good work, thanks for the report. - Scotts94z32 00:32:20 06/11/08 your test is useless and a complete waste of time (n/m) - z32_driver 01:14:23 06/11/08 An you are a stupid American. (n/m) - Eishozzzz 06:27:41 06/11/08 what is your problem? (n/m) - aliaZ 07:03:55 06/11/08 so are you (n/m) - ZEngineer 09:11:34 06/11/08 And you're a poster child for birth control (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 11:39:58 06/11/08 (Total Hits: 4,461). (n/m) - Spongerider :) 11:53:17 06/11/08 I kindof wish you had flow tested the manifolds by - Ash's Z 01:21:10 06/11/08 So Passenger 1 = cyl. #2 and Driver 1 = cyl. #1? - Bezza 02:02:40 06/11/08 true - but to compare a back to back test on the same head - The Devils Z 02:03:41 06/11/08 Ash, you took the words right out of my mouth. - jschrauwen 05:27:40 06/11/08 Oh shut the fumk up man, you don't even know what he said - BigTDogg (MA) 11:42:01 06/11/08 ROFL (n/m) - zyoulater 17:46:41 06/11/08 That's precisely why your posts are deleted on 3ZC. - jschrauwen 22:53:54 06/11/08 so immature, right? - aliaZ 23:33:11 06/11/08 Actually, dunno about you, but I type with my fingers - BigTDogg (MA) 09:27:50 06/12/08 While I agree with you, this testing does illustrate an - aliaZ 07:00:23 06/11/08 agreed (n/m) - The Devils Z 08:30:38 06/11/08 It illustrates one thing only. - jschrauwen 08:36:27 06/11/08 Just remember. They're laughing AT you, not with you. (n/m) - Guapo 10:08:19 06/11/08 Laughter is a good thing. It sure beats the name calling. (n/m) - jschrauwen 10:35:11 06/11/08 Actually - this is a good test and details a few things: - The Devils Z 11:42:14 06/11/08 2nd (holy crap) (n/m) - Guapo 11:49:40 06/11/08 Well said (n/m) - SeedyROM 12:14:12 06/11/08 Having heads that are ported and have 1mm os valves - na300zx (OH) 14:49:09 06/11/08 My biggest qualm with flowtesting using a head is that the - Ash's Z 15:09:21 06/11/08 There was no difference in valve lift - na300zx (OH) 15:17:33 06/11/08 Hi David, I'm not questioning the ability of those - Ash's Z 18:16:20 06/11/08 Agreed, somewhat, but the OP's test is flawed - jschrauwen 23:00:41 06/11/08 how is his test flawed again? (n/m) - aliaZ 23:26:19 06/11/08 what, no dixie cups and 2x4's this time? (n/m) - genic 09:09:35 06/11/08 You bought two sets of manifolds why? (n/m) - AZHeat 02:05:25 06/11/08 One set is for his Moms car :) (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 03:26:31 06/11/08 Were you expecting an honest answer? (n/m) - jschrauwen 08:38:14 06/11/08 What's that supposed to mean? - na300zx (OH) 14:55:10 06/11/08 because apparently the phone call to verify the test results - LJZTT 12:21:29 06/11/08 This test cost me exactly $0 - na300zx (OH) 15:03:37 06/11/08 ....aside from the price of two manifolds - LJZTT 17:03:57 06/11/08 Lol, unbelievable. - na300zx (OH) 17:45:51 06/11/08 first off I don't spend nearly enough time here to follow - LJZTT 18:36:09 06/11/08 Look on AMS' graph and show me where it says how they - na300zx (OH) 04:34:49 06/12/08 Re: Look on AMS' graph and show me where it says how they - LJZTT 08:56:16 06/12/08 It's fun to see you grasp at straws. The fact that my - na300zx (OH) 14:48:06 06/12/08 that's your excuse for this? I am angry and taking it out on - LJZTT 17:01:52 06/12/08 A better Example than his: - Keaner 17:57:58 06/11/08 Wow... Someone who gets it! (n/m) - na300zx (OH) 18:01:19 06/11/08 why don't you call the shop and ask how you can trust their - LJZTT 18:14:07 06/11/08 I mean since we already know AMS is a devious sinister - LJZTT 18:49:31 06/11/08 20% is "diminiscule"? (n/m) - na300zx (OH) 04:27:27 06/12/08 red herring....again, nice try - LJZTT 08:37:42 06/12/08 Look again at cylinder #6 - na300zx (OH) 15:04:16 06/12/08 basketball...mentally challenged....double dribble.....you - LJZTT 17:29:38 06/12/08 Let's see... - na300zx (OH) 18:18:13 06/12/08 walks like a duck, talks like a duck...it's a duck - LJZTT 18:26:55 06/12/08 Did you happen to miss the thread immediately - na300zx (OH) 18:39:14 06/12/08 *sigh* - LJZTT 22:11:38 06/12/08 And... - na300zx (OH) 18:37:20 06/12/08 This has all been covered, you offer nothing with this test - LJZTT 22:31:21 06/12/08 "I was buying two sets of manifolds anyway" ROFL (n/m) - AZHeat 01:13:20 06/12/08 Well done. - eriksu9 08:03:47 06/11/08 Here is an old post of mine with Pentroof manifolds - Carlos Ramirez 08:07:15 06/11/08 Here is a good old post about flows on different manifolds - Carlos Ramirez 08:10:57 06/11/08 Why aren't these 2 very popular here? If they flow so well, - Yoshi 09:07:37 06/11/08 expensive mostly - Carlos Ramirez 09:15:56 06/11/08 How much did they cost? It doesn't look to be available - ThunderZ 21:12:17 06/11/08 Re: How much did they cost? It doesn't look to be available - Carlos Ramirez 22:22:35 06/11/08 Thanks for the time and effort you put forth here. - Hawkin"Z" 11:32:57 06/11/08 Nice work, but that first picture really pisses me off (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 11:44:12 06/11/08 Re: AMS vs. MSP Results - Vuk@Absolute Motorsports Inc. 11:46:27 06/11/08 What up rip off artist and e-thug! (n/m) - Spongerider :) 12:05:24 06/11/08 Go go spin-master V - SeedyROM 12:11:52 06/11/08 Was it you that deleted all my posts today over at 300zxclub - Piranha(AZ) 12:29:55 06/11/08 my thoughts confirmed ... - The Devils Z 13:18:19 06/11/08 2nd!!! - gt300zxtt 14:11:16 06/11/08 Puh-lease - BigTDogg (MA) 15:17:58 06/11/08 Just fyi, the numbers would be lower than yours - na300zx (OH) 15:25:14 06/11/08 Request here, why dont you video tape jschrauwen humping yo - zyoulater 18:03:43 06/11/08 LOL - jschrauwen 23:09:11 06/11/08 beautiful spelling! Canadian EDJAMACATION for ya! (n/m) - amp300zx 10:58:49 06/12/08 Thanks for taking the time to run the test. (n/m) - SeanK (StL) 12:01:14 06/11/08 Thanks for your time and effort! (n/m) - TT XTZ 12:08:51 06/11/08 ... - HicasZ 14:22:11 06/11/08 Can I get a loan from you since you have the means - AZHeat 20:07:03 06/11/08 hes an auto tech student - gt300zxtt 20:34:42 06/11/08 I'm sure all auto tech students purchase two sents - AZHeat 21:17:39 06/11/08 Erm why couldn't he sell them? - Bezza 22:48:58 06/11/08 I guess you missed the point (n/m) - AZHeat 01:00:38 06/12/08 how is your oil pan coming? - gt300zxtt 07:38:40 06/12/08 don't hold your breath - LJZTT 18:11:07 06/12/08 why would you need a loan? - aliaZ 23:28:42 06/11/08 Collegeboy and I wipe our asses with $100 bills for TP. - AZHeat 01:10:31 06/12/08 beware of paper cuts - aliaZ 09:20:26 06/12/08 provide links please. I don't follow everyone's post - AZHeat 09:25:55 06/12/08 It doesn't matter why he bought them, though if he had no - LJZTT 17:08:50 06/12/08 So just because I didn't offer my interpretation - na300zx (OH) 18:13:10 06/12/08 Re: So just because I didn't offer my interpretation - LJZTT 18:23:23 06/12/08 Yeah. Do you want an explanation? (n/m) - na300zx (OH) 18:30:07 06/12/08
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